May 9th, 2008
Dear Katherine,
Noticed your great article on Bloombergs about John Wood’s SRM Global Fund and his issues.
It was pretty similar story to the one by Mr Condon
This same sort of events happened in 1997 where people got greedy and went to Russian Bonds and forgot good money management ie Long Term Capital and a Number of others. This will undoubtedly happen again in 2017 when a new generation lets success go to their heads.
Now here is what is interesting about Investor Psychology.
- Russell Sands mentor Richard Dennis ran a fund up from 1994 to 1998 - it was returning over 100% in most years.
- Then in 1999 Commodities stopped trending and he lost around 50% of the fund in 6 or so months.
- Yet, the original investor in Richard Dennis’s funds in 1994 in 1999 had made Net of Fees 39% per annum
Investors were wailing and being upset - most of them piled in in 1997 and 1998 and probably lost money - but the original ones did well!
And if they had continued to trade the Turtle way in the last 8 years they would be very happy investors!
Investors who sue are usually last on the cue and caught the greed bug as bad as the Fund Manager.
Now Richard Dennis did not get greedy he was following the same rules as before the markets just hit an air procket. Which does happen.
We have noticed that in the Fund Investors get in at the Top of Returns and Get out when the Equity cure hits its lows.
Greed Hope and Fear can ruin trading - they can also stop investors from making the right decisions.
Sadly, Mr Kelsoe’s situation shows AirProckets and Greed are the worst combination.
Good money management and a good method are a safety net to ensure consistency in the face of extaordinary returns.
TurtleTrading.com
p 1.800.783.1680
PS
Original Russell Sands Private Turtle Hedge fund was up just under 70% gross last year.
This year his actual system - the
Turtle System for Commodities in the purest sense has been performing strongly up over 250% in just 4 months of the Year - note Russell Sands does not trade as aggressively as the System.
This has meant that his investors did not live through a move down from the System being up 320*% to 250*% a whopping drop in returns - not fun if you jsut started but ok if you started trading January 1
Tags: James Kelsoe, John Wood, Morgan Asset, Morgan Asset's Kelsoe, SRM Global Fund, Wood's SRM Global Fund
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May 9th, 2008
Mr Christopher Condon
Bloombergs
Boston
Dear Mr Condon,
Noticed your article on Bloombergs about Morgan Asset’s Kelsoe and his issues.
This same sort of events happened in 1997 where people got greedy and went to Russian Bonds and forgot good money management ie Long Term Capital and a Number of others. This will undoubtedly happen again in 2017 when a new generation lets success go to their heads.
Original Russell Sands Private Turtle Hedge fund was up just under 70% gross last year.
This year his actual system - the
Turtle System for Commodities in the purest sense has been performing strongly up over 250% in just 4 months of the Year - note Russell Sands does not trade as aggressively as the System.
This has meant that his investors did not live through a move down from the System being up 320*% to 250*% a whopping drop in returns - not fun if you jsut started but ok if you started trading January 1
Now here is what is interesting about Investor Psychology.
- Russell Sands mentor Richard Dennis ran a fund up from 1994 to 1998 - it was returning over 100% in most years.
- Then in 1999 Commodities stopped trending and he lost around 50% of the fund in 6 or so months.
- Yet, the original investor in Richard Dennis’s funds in 1994 in 1999 had made Net of Fees 39% per annum
Investors were wailing and being upset - most of them piled in in 1997 and 1998 and probably lost money - but the original ones did well!
And if they had continued to trade the Turtle way in the last 8 years they would be very happy investors!
Investors who sue are usually last on the cue and caught the greed bug as bad as the Fudn Manager.
Now Richard Dennis did not get greedy he was following the same rules as before the markets just hit an air procket. Which does happen.
We have noticed that in the Fund Investors get in at the Top of Returns and Get out when the Equity cure hits its lows.
Greed Hope and Fear can ruin trading - they can also stop investors from making the right decisions.
Sadly, Mr Kelsoe’s situation shows AirProckets and Greed are the worst combination.
Good money management and a good method are a safety net to ensure consistency in the face of extaordinary returns.
TurtleTrading.com
p 1.800.783.1680
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May 3rd, 2008
Today one of our staff took a call - it was unusual not only because it was from Australia and also that it struck a raw nerve and is so important that its now part of a blog.
We are sorry we don’t blog that often. Maybe its because we do not get many non spam replies on this blog (we get about 70 spam ones a day with links and all sorts of crapola we need to delete as moderator).
Here is how our Staff Member Replied to him
Thank you for your call today.
Have you checked our updated results on the website
http://turtletrading.com/Turtle-Talk-News-Apr-2008.htm
These results speak volumes and answer most people’s questions.
There are a lot of Trading teachers out there what we can tell you is:
1. The pedigree of the Turtles Trading Program is long and without peer.
It works for those who have consistency, discipline and the right capital
2. Russell Sands has been trading these same methods for 25 years this year
3. Russell Sands gives his students the same signals as he is going to trade
before he trades.
We do not know of many other teachers who actually trade nor in the
size Mr Sands does.
4. Both Programs last for 12 months with full support
5. Both Programs come with a 12 Month Performance Money Back Guarantee
a. Super Trader Program: Commodities & Futures:z
If you take all of the trades as per the Capital Size Recommended
Portfolio in the Turtle SuperTrader Program and start with the recommended
capital (min U$10,000) and have not made money after 12 months you get
your Full Course Fee Refunded
b. Turtles Forex Program :
If you take all of the trades as per the Signals in the Turtle Forex
Program and start with the recommended capital U$5,000 and have not made
money after 12 months you get your Full Course Fee Refunded
6. You could talk to a broker in Australia who has been taught these
methods around 2003 and has been trading them for his Turtle Student
clients.
His name is John Robertson of I-Deal and you can get him on 03 9017 4175.
7. On both programs you get full access to Russell Sands and his trading
assistant for 12 months
I must be honest here and tell you I am not sure I think these programs
are for you.
When I asked you “What do you want from your trading?”
You answered “That should be obvious”
Sadly, that answer was typical of traders who invariably do not follow a
plan or rules because they do not have goals - and end up losers to the
market.
The most successful new students always have a clear intention for their
trading. And those intentions are -
1. Not always the same
2. Never obvious to me
- thats why I ask that question. We do not know what you want from your
trading we only know what the Turtle Programs can deliver.
The historical performance is at
http://turtletrading.com/Turtle-Talk-News-Apr-2008.htm
I also asked if you had read the free report on the website you said you
had ordered it but not yet seen it and was not sure if it was sent - it is
on an Auto Responder.
Russell Sands time is very precious and he asks us to carefully screen
prospective students as he works closely with them for 1 year. From what I
have seen he may not have the patience to Mentor you and you may fail at
the initial interview.
Good luck in your search.
Please feel free to revisit TurtleTrading when you know what you want from
your trading call +1.800.783.1680.
Message Ends
This is is a very good answer.
You Need to Know What You Want
Otherwise how do you know That You Got It When You Do Get It?
No point trading if you are not clear on your goals and objectives.
Get some intentions!
Enjoy Your Weekend
http://www.turtletrading.com
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April 19th, 2008
Russell Sands Turtle Trading
ORDERS FOR MONDAY, APR 21 2008
Traders Note:
From tonight’s orders going forth, we will be trading the
electronic markets for the S&P, Dow, and Nasdaq Futures.
If you are using Trade Station reset your symbols to
Composite (.C) rather than Pit (.P)
This is only for the Turtle Futures, if you also trade our Balanced
Trader System continue trading the pit for that system.
Turtle Talk Inc
http://turtletrading.com
PS Balanced Trader has a very exciting Order for Monday!
Do not miss it - it could be the start of a very big move.
http://www.turtletrading.com/balanced_trader.htm
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April 17th, 2008
GREENBACK’S WEAKNESS IS TURTLE FOREX PARADISE
Our latest Turtle Newsletter shows how much the Turtle Forex has benefited from the rise of the Euro Currency and the Demise of the US Dollar.
You may view it online at:
http://turtletrading.com/Turtle-Talk-News-Apr-2008.htm
We have also enjoyed a nice run in the Swiss Franc and have a small loser in the GBPUSD.
While its sad about the Greenback the Turtle Forex system has been helping out small Forex Traders with the Auto Trade Program - we can send you the current orders. The Auto Trade Program lets traders manage their trading consistently and simply.
Just use the contact link http://turtletrading.com/contact.htm to ask for the latest orders.
The Auto Trade Program lets traders manage their trading consistently and simply.
Russell Sands pioneered this method of trading back in 1997 on a trip to Singapore and Malaysia and has refined it to the point where it really is simple for traders to trade the Forex consistently.
The constant drumbeat of US Dollar Weakness can be hedged with our Program - a number of large institutions are looking at using our Program to manage their currency risks of business.
If you need more information about how it works call 1.800.783.1680
The Turtle Trading Team
As always we are at http://turtletrading.com
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February 4th, 2008
Last week we showed in our newsletter a nice equity curve!
This one is even nicer. This is probably why our Turtle Super Trader Program students who started at the beginning of January are so happy.
The best Profits were generated in Rough Rice and Platinum.
If you do some simple math you can see the increase in value from 1 to 2 in just 1 month.
See the Charts and Read more in our Free Newsletter - subscribe here now>>
Russell Sands
http://turtletrading.com
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January 28th, 2008
Societe Generale Loses US$7 BillionWhile…Turtle Traders MAKE MONEY!!
From Russell
“Official numbers from the accountant for fund performance for 2007
Also, we have preliminary Avg. YTD return of 72.09% (gross) and 53.62% (net).
and about another 18% for this month
What a wild week, I am going to sleep all weekend !!”
Russell Sands
http://turtletrading.com
Lehman Brothers have estimated that about 13% of the Volume done last week was Socete Generale getting out of their bad position.
Now if they were Turtle Traders they would have been out of their trade for only a 2% Trade. Isn’t that so cool? All the brains and financial muscle in the world can’t beat the good old Turtle Trading Technology - no wonder we have so many people asking to be trained by us Turtles.
Sure the Turtles System Model Portfolio Returns were temporarily degraded by the Soc Gen market action for a few days. But look at the bounce back. Instead of being up 90% in 1 month its nowup over 80% for the Year To Date - which is 25 days.
Seriously, the Traders at Soc Generale would have been far better off spending $7,500 on a place at the Turtle Super Traders Program for a year than playing with fire the way they did. A loss of such magnitude was so avoidable when trading correctly.
Here is how the Turtles System Fared for the Week and the past month.
That’s right it started at $1million on Jan 1 and is now at $1.8 million* in under 4 weeks.
You do the maths!:
Read the rest of this entry »
Tags: Societe Generale US$7 billion Loss, turtles
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January 24th, 2008
Everybody is talking about how this might be the “big one”. Of course, as with every other market we trade, the more people talk about the trend continuing, the more likely the party is soon going to be over.
I know that I had told many of you last week to take the Balanced Trader buy signal (which failed), as a good opportunity to cover some of the stock index positions that we are still “short” in the Turtle system. It is my understanding from the brokers that some people did this, and some are still short, I really don’t know who has done what. But this e-mail is now addressed to those of you that might still be short any of the stock indexes, according to the nightly order sheet for the original Turtles.
As with my suggestions in the Grains and Metals, if or when this market turns, it could be a huge short covering rally, and we want to be the first ones out the door. Therefore, despite the computer signals, I am going to hereby suggest that you guys tighten up the stops on any or all of your stock indexes to right above Tuesday’s high. My suggested prices are 1327.00 in the S&P, 12150 in the Dow, and 1850.00 in the Nasd. This is enough to keep us in the trade if it keeps going, and protect us quickly in case it turns around.
Thanks, Russell.
http://turtletrading.com
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January 18th, 2008
Well guys, we have had a pretty nice run so far this year, and we had a big day today with the Turtle system being short all the Stock Indexes. For those of you who are clients of both the Turtles and Balanced Trader
services, you should know by now that we have a “buy” signal for tomorrow morning in the Balanced Trader for all the Stock Indexes. Now I will admit the Balanced Trader had a little bit of a disappointing year in 2007, but
that doesn’t mean that I’ve lost faith in the system.
I have spent a few hours tonight thinking about how scary this new trade might be, but then I changed my mindset and came to a much better conclusion. Rather than going long in a separate account with this new trade, I am going to just use this signal to cover all my Stock Index short positions in my main Turtle account.
In other words, I am using the Balanced Trader as a good profit taking opportunity for the Turtle system. Now granted, the Turtles usually don’t “take profits” on their nicely trending positions, but if you think about it from the perspective of having two totally independent trading systems, both of which have been proven profitable in the long run, this makes perfect sense !!
And for those of you that do not yet have our Balanced Trader system, hopefully knowing information like this might help convince you it would be a good reason to add this system to your trading arsenal.
Let us know if you would like a special price.
Thanks, Russell
http://turtletrading.com
Tags: crash, profits, stockmarket, take profits
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January 10th, 2008
A number of people have asked which Foreign Broker can execute the Turtles Orders.
John Robertson of I-Deal Financial Group has been to a number of Turtles seminars and has been executing Turtle Trades for many Turtle Traders & students since 2003.
He has setup a very good system for handing the orders (you can be in any country and not have to call him just email them - or ask for the AutoTrade) and has an exceptionally low error rate.
His website is
http://www.i-deal.com.au
You can give him a call on 011 612 9016 4329 from Canada or the US
Or if you are from overseas call Intl + 612 9016 4329.
For the hi tech people of us His Skype Number is robertson999
PS he has very very good forex prices also from as low as 1/2 a pip in the Euro
Tags: broker, trading, turtle
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